Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on September 25, 2009 at 1:01pm
Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on September 25, 2009 at 1:19pm Hi Philip, this is a very nice trio of questions to think about. It is probably, ethnography i mean, the reason why we are so passionate about our (potentially at least) transformative practices of knowledge production. However i was thinking that perhaps you could tell us more of what you have in mind as potentially very long posts could be written to reflect on your questions.
looking forward chat with you and others about the nature and values of ethnography.
giuseppe
Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on September 25, 2009 at 2:22pm
Permalink Reply by Alexandre Enkerli on September 25, 2009 at 3:30pm
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Permalink Reply by John McCreery on September 25, 2009 at 3:46pm Ethnography is fundamentally different from other research strategies not only because it refers to a wider and more complex set of sources of information on which to base the analytical work but because the nature of ethnographic interaction is fundamentally different from other forms of information and data gathering.
In ethnographic research the radically dualistic distinction between researcher and researched needs to be challenged and reframed (but not, i think, in the terms used by Viveiros de Castro according to which it is the consciousness of the interaction and its content that distinguishes one from the other).Yes. But...
knowledge is a relational adaptive quality that is generated in the interaction between individuals and between individuals and the surrounding environment.
Permalink Reply by Alexandre Enkerli on September 25, 2009 at 3:56pm Thank you Philip this is very useful and interesting indeed,
it seems to me your main concerns here have to do with length, place and observation in a "natural habitat" of the people we study. You suggest also that multi/sited ethnography does not need to be in contradiction with "long term" research. You finally refer to to unique manner in which we ethnographers gather "information" from "different sources" about "our subjects". And of course you stress the crucial importance of the length of experience on the field as that helps shape the ability of the researcher to perceive change and to collect relevant data (indeed your fieldwork researches are impressively long).
While reading and re-reading your suggestions I came to think about few issues rather recurring in my reflections too and which your statements helped me focus better. Let's see if i can bounce off a couple of statements in the same way you did based on those suggestions:
1. Ethnography is fundamentally different from other research strategies not only because it refers to a wider and more complex set of sources of information on which to base the analytical work but because the nature of ethnographic interaction is fundamentally different from other forms of information and data gathering. While fieldwork can easily be used as a tool of data gathering through observation and interviews etc, ethnography generates a unique interaction between "researcher" and "researched" (please note the quotation marks to signify that the same distinction is to me problematic). Such interaction is not only extractive but is (crucially i think) transformative for both or all the people involved. Such interactioin is not based only and not even mainly (i think) on the exchange of information. The unique kind of knowledge generated by ethnography is indeed the content of this interaction, of this "adaptive" interaction. This statement calls for the following:
2. In ethnographic research the radically dualistic distinction between researcher and researched needs to be challenged and reframed (but not, i think, in the terms used by Viveiros de Castro according to which it is the consciousness of the interaction and its content that distinguishes one from the other). Finally
3. knowledge is a relational adaptive quality that is generated in the interaction between individuals and between individuals and the surrounding environment. This adaptive interaction inscribes itself in the bodies/minds of those involved, rather than being an ordered string of instructions, generated by correct application of analytical algorithms on carefully selected data, that can be stored in brains as if they were electronic devices (as represented by the functionalist approach to mind and consciousness).
I guess i should stop here with my wild and rather little articulated statements on an early (sunny surprisingly) Friday afternoon.
Ciao
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Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on September 26, 2009 at 4:54pm
Permalink Reply by Alexandre Enkerli on September 28, 2009 at 11:26pm Philip, John, Alexandre
we seem to have hit (or at least I seem to read in the following way this very interesting conversation) the crucial issue on the nature of knowledge, either objective fact (independent of the selves of the creators) or subjective perception of, or adaptation to, an interaction (between individuals or between individuals and environment).
Somehow i seem to join John in his "yes but also no" approach. let me explain. My italian professor of cultural anthropology Pietro Clemente in the early 90s set a journal called Ossimori (Oxymoron) as he found that the most profound teaching an anthropologist learn by doing ethnography is bout the interpenetration of (assumed) radical opposites (some Shipibo-Conibo traditional healers used to explain to me how plants' spirits are both good "but also" bad and until i did not feel that i could not understand who they were, what they were doing and how they managed to heal their people).
It seems to me then that ethnographic knowledge is not objective neither it is subjective.. I believe the ethnographic interaction engages the researcher AND the researched (viveiro de castro's so insightful intuition on the nature of anthropology i share here fully) in rethinking some (little or much) of their knowledge. In this process crucial issues are involved that have to do with power/knowledge social dynamics... but about this consolidated contribution to our discipline I do not need to waste your time.
IF we find this useful, this approach asks us to look at both our selves and others' but also their social context and ours' and also what we think about knowledge and what they think etc. So for instance if you think "therapy" is a useful way to conceive about knowledge of one self you could find useful to confront that with the way in which the people you are working with think about the ways to know themselves and the world. For instance is so much shamanic literature you find that initiation is a powerful way to know, to inscribe knowledge in the person of the healer... and on these aspects of the literature i do not need to bore you anymore.
Concluding in the interaction of forms, practices, and attitudes of knowledge and knowing (as a practice etc.) the ethnographer is engaged directly and through his/her practice could say something on what knowledge and knowing are.
John McCreery said:Thanks to Giuseppe for responding to Phil in such a stimulating manner. As I read his propositions I find myself saying both “yes” and “no.”
Ethnography is fundamentally different from other research strategies not only because it refers to a wider and more complex set of sources of information on which to base the analytical work but because the nature of ethnographic interaction is fundamentally different from other forms of information and data gathering.
Yes. The ethnographer’s physical, visceral “being there,” settling in and sharing a life for a substantial period of time, has no parallel in other forms of research in which researchers remain temporally, spatially or socially separated from those they study. And it can produce insights than more distanced methods do not.
No. As ethnographers write up their research, they have returned to a scholarly position temporally, spatially and socially separated from those whose lives they have shared. The usual questions concerning evidence, logic, and felicity of story and trope all apply to ethnographers as they do to other scholars.
In ethnographic research the radically dualistic distinction between researcher and researched needs to be challenged and reframed (but not, i think, in the terms used by Viveiros de Castro according to which it is the consciousness of the interaction and its content that distinguishes one from the other).Yes. But...
No. I agree with Phil that the researcher’s goals and those of the people whose lives he or she shares are not the same. I would also argue that whether transformation occurs on either side is a question that can only be answered case-by-case. In my own case, I was in my mid-20s when I met my Daoist master in Taiwan; he was almost the same age as my father. I was a callow, young graduate student still fumbling as I searched for whom I might become. He had served in the Japanese military police during WWII, started and lost control of a wholesale vegetable market, established his storefront temple and built a clientele. He was married, with four sons. I saw no change in his character from when I first met him to when we said our last good-byes. There may have been inner transformations invisible on the surface. But my abiding impression is of a man with a fully adult, solidly formed character.
knowledge is a relational adaptive quality that is generated in the interaction between individuals and between individuals and the surrounding environment.
Yes. Of course. But...
No. If we have learned nothing else from the sociology of knowledge and science and technology studies, it is that this is always the case. Knowledge may first appear in individual minds pondering particular problems, but the way in which the problems are framed and addressed and the answers tested in conversations with others are all shaped by social relationships and the environments in which they occur.
I, too, have a lot more to think about. But these, for what they are worth, are my initial responses.
Permalink Reply by Alexandre Enkerli on September 28, 2009 at 11:29pm There is interesting article in today's National Post, entitled "Women in Bountiful Have More Power Than You Think: Researcher" http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2035569. Bountiful is a Mormon polygamous community in Canada that has drawn quite a bit of hostile press and government investigation. However, recently a McGill law professor, Angela Campbell, has made some visits to Bountiful, speaking to a wide range of inhabitants and participating in a variety of events. She has written a report saying that Bountiful is much more complicated than journalists have indicated, that there is much more going on there than previously reported, that there is great diversity in the social patterns within the community, and that even what we thought we knew about the place, i.e. polygamy, does not work the way we imagined. She concedes that hers is a preliminary and not an exhaustive study, and should stimulate further inquiry. Not all in the audience, of course, were delighted to hear this report, for some do not wish their clear judgments meddled with.
Would it be justified to call Professor Campbell's visits and reports "ethnography"? She is not trained in ethnography, and her field research methods were probably haphazard. Maybe she didn't know about "the crisis of representation," or that in the course of her dialogical interactions she was being "inscribed." She just naively wanted to find out what was going on in that particular part of the world.
My reading of post-1980s anthropology is that anthropologists were a bit worn out by theoretical demands unmatched by research resources, and also a bit tired of being the invisible man. So we spent the last several decades contemplating everyone's favorite subject, ourselves. Anthropology became more and more about anthropologists. We became the stars of our own productions. And very satisfying it was. All of those boring and tedious methodological procedures, out the window! All the responsibility of objective reports, gone with a poof! Now its just us, doing our thing! All right!
Professor Campbell cannot be considered a real ethnographer, because she is trying to discover and explain the way (a part of) the world actually and really is. She is focussed on establishing knowledge of people beyond herself, rather than expressing her own unique experience. She thinks she has discovered some things about the world, while we know that there is no "world" to be discovered, just different stories, each equally valid, each equally personal. Poor, naive Professor Campbell.
Permalink Reply by BDwyer on September 29, 2009 at 12:26am
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