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Permalink Reply by Justin Shaffner on October 8, 2009 at 11:47pm 
Permalink Reply by Huon Wardle on October 12, 2009 at 4:06pm Huon, I really enjoyed your paper. I found myself nodding in agreement with you at every turn, that is, until the ethnographic section at the end where you consolidate your argument.
I wonder if your analysis leaves out the best of what I took to be at the heart of cosmopolitics. With the ethnographic example, it seems as if you've reduced the concept to another instance of the politics of culture, or cosmology.
For me, Latour's notion of cosmopolitics was always a way to foreground in analysis how whole collectives of persons and things are assembled and mobilized. Here, I am not talking just about "baloma spirits, patrilineal ancestors, yams or cassowaries;" but also roads, buildings, NGOs, mining tailings, and the internet.
How do you see these sort of 'actants' fitting into the kind of cosmopolitics you could endorse?
Permalink Reply by Florian Mühlfried on October 15, 2009 at 6:59pm 
Permalink Reply by Huon Wardle on October 15, 2009 at 7:23pm Hey Huon, just very briefly: We will have a session on citizenship and cosmopolitanism next Tuesday, and I make my students read your text. I will also encourage them to comment on your paper on this site. Let's hope it works!
Permalink Reply by Justin Shaffner on October 15, 2009 at 11:46pm Thanks Justin, It is intriguing that you enjoyed the paper up until the ethnographic example. You could certainly read that instance as exemplifying a politics of culture and I would be interested to know how you would have described it differently. The problem for me starts with the question of 'common sense' from Lazarus' stance. I can't talk directly to the Mayflower, the Stone of Scone or the other actants, I can only talk to Lazarus and proceed from there reconstituting a situation as I go, so to speak. An emphasis on the standpoint from which Lazarus construes and subjectively mobilises the relevant community (within the reflexive frame of our conversation) seems to me to be crucial. Hence, I am interested in your critique but I haven't quite grasped it yet. Is the difference that you would want something on a wider scale - more interconnected processes, more situations where these actants would come more clearly into view? I don't think it is (the small) scale you are concerned with, so what would you want to see extrapolated, or more clearly distinguished?
Justin Shaffner said:Huon, I really enjoyed your paper. I found myself nodding in agreement with you at every turn, that is, until the ethnographic section at the end where you consolidate your argument.
I wonder if your analysis leaves out the best of what I took to be at the heart of cosmopolitics. With the ethnographic example, it seems as if you've reduced the concept to another instance of the politics of culture, or cosmology. For me, Latour's notion of cosmopolitics was always a way to foreground in analysis how whole collectives of persons and things are assembled and mobilized. Here, I am not talking just about "baloma spirits, patrilineal ancestors, yams or cassowaries;" but also roads, buildings, NGOs, mining tailings, and the internet.
How do you see these sort of 'actants' fitting into the kind of cosmopolitics you could endorse?

Permalink Reply by Huon Wardle on October 16, 2009 at 11:14am
Permalink Reply by Justin Shaffner on October 17, 2009 at 9:49am Thanks Justin, those are helpful critical comments and food for thought. Yes, I can see the structure of conjuncture type of explanation as relevant to how I have presented the case. And I might add Gluckman's (or before him Fortune's) situation focused analyses. Then Griaule and Mintz in quite different ways have used conversation as a basis for building a social analysis. I just list these to say there is nothing 'new' in what I am doing at that level. And, of course, Latour also takes conjunctural situations as his mode of revealing the different actants involved in his settings. But you may well be right that developing the case in that way suggests that I am proposing a singular 'method' of presentation which I am not; the aim is simply to indicate some of the themes in play (anthropologists are constrained by using words when experience is both less and more than words). The case is 'small' in the sense that at its centre are two speakers (practitioners of the 'logos'...), but I could certainly make it bigger - CNN is here, coffee farmers are standing in the background, super-power politics is present and interested and so on.

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