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Permalink Reply by deniz batum on August 28, 2009 at 11:35pm Deniz Batum writes,
Just because you are writing about "material facts" does not mean your production is not socially constructed. And furthermore may I ask who has conceptualized this "magic"? Anyway, you are writing about the implications, meanings of material facts. You are writing this to share with an audience for whom it will make sense when they read it. You use a certain "language" so to speak to convey this information. If all of this is not socially constructed I do not know what is.
Deniz,
Like Phil, I ask if you read beyond the first paragraph to which you react with current clichés. If you had, you would have seen me saying directly that scholarly knowledge is socially constructed. But for me this is just the start of a discussion that includes close attention to how it is constructed and the implications of different forms of construction. Personally, I agree with Pierre Bourdieu's position that is perfectly possible to acknowledge that the canons of scientific method are a product of particular places and moments in history and to, nonetheless, to find them worth defending. They have, after all, produced results like the technology that we are using to communicate; a claim that no other approach, religious, aesthetic or common sense can equal.
Note, too, the quote from the Nichomachean Ethics. I am under no illusion that anthropological fieldwork can produce results comparable to those of experimental science. How could it, since most fieldwork is done by individuals with different degrees of talent and training, pursuing what insight they may discover while deploying ideas and methods that are little more than starting points and rules of thumb to work with, producing work that is rarely if ever replicated? But that does not change the force of what I was saying when referring to material facts about the body of ritual I studied for my dissertation or the ad annual credits that supply the primary data for my current research. There are facts there, facts firmly attested and readily available for other researchers to examine; facts relevant to judgments that this or that interpretation is better than others. The line you are pursuing leads nowhere but to Punch-and-Judy shows in which "critics" with different prejudices talk past each other. The word for that is piffle. Not my cup of tea.
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Permalink Reply by John McCreery on November 24, 2009 at 3:14pm Clifford Geertz, in Islam Observed(1971), characterizes the orientations of Indonesians and Moroccans:
"On the Indonesian side, inwardness, imperturbability, patience, poise, sensibility, aestheticism, elitism, and an almost obsessive self-effacement, the radical dissolution of individuality; on the Moroccan side, activism, fervor, impetuosity, nerve, toughness, moralism, populism, and an almost obsessive self-assertion, the radical intensification of individuality." (54)
What do you think? Is this a valid formulation? If so, why? If not, why not? If not, what other way might one formulate the comparison?
Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on November 24, 2009 at 3:40pm Is "valid" the right issue here? Why not "apt," for example?
"Valid" suggests that clear hypotheses with testable consequences are being proposed. "Apt" suggests that someone who knew both cultures could agree that the contrasts fit fairly well as applied to this particular pair of cultures in the moment that Geertz was writing, with no assumption that they apply equally to every member of both populations or represent eternal verities about them.
It is possible, after all, to articulate contrasts without essentializing. Biologists, for example, do it all the time when discussing speciation in a Darwinian instead of Linnaean context.
Philip Carl SALZMAN said:Clifford Geertz, in Islam Observed(1971), characterizes the orientations of Indonesians and Moroccans:
"On the Indonesian side, inwardness, imperturbability, patience, poise, sensibility, aestheticism, elitism, and an almost obsessive self-effacement, the radical dissolution of individuality; on the Moroccan side, activism, fervor, impetuosity, nerve, toughness, moralism, populism, and an almost obsessive self-assertion, the radical intensification of individuality." (54)
What do you think? Is this a valid formulation? If so, why? If not, why not? If not, what other way might one formulate the comparison?
Permalink Reply by John McCreery on November 25, 2009 at 1:42am Allow me to rephrase: Is this possibly apt formulation a valid anthropological exercise?
Permalink Reply by Philip Carl SALZMAN on November 25, 2009 at 6:26pm "Valid anthropological exercise"? May I take it that the actual question to which "valid" ambiguously points is "Is this the sort of thing that an anthropologist ought to be doing?" The assumption being, of course, that to write in this way is inherently judgmental, stereotyping and essentializing, i.e., a big No, No.
If so, I would say that the assumption is at least as judgmental, stereotyping and essentializing as the text being criticized. Until the statements in question have been seen in context, with due attention paid to logic, trope, and the character of the author, no such assumption is warranted.
Philip Carl SALZMAN said:Allow me to rephrase: Is this possibly apt formulation a valid anthropological exercise?
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