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John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology
Stefan Voicu replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"In my opinion a clear, or rather more nuanced, separation should be made between art museums focused on objects made with the intention of being or becoming art and those focused on the translation of cultural artifacts (in general) into artworks.…"
John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Jacqueline, I am not your student. I am an old man of considerable worldly experience, and we live in a world where we are constantly bombarded by claims that we must read this or that. All I see here is more hand waving. If you think Roy Wagner, or…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Oh please, John. I live in California. Sugar is just so politically incorrect. Only stevia, please. Or agave. I am just saying that I would prefer Roy Wagner on metaphor--let's just drop another name, OK...--to…"
John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"On a different tack, for those who have no interest in this tempest in a teapot in which Jacqueline and I appear to be engaged, I wonder if a fruitful approach to the general topic of methodological approaches to art and artists might be to compare…"
John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Jacqueline, you drop names like a kid with a torn bag of candy. Cuts no mustard with me. As far as I can make out, you have no idea whatsoever about the relevance of Tambiah, Fernandez, and Bloch to the data presented in the paper, let alone whether…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Here is an expired Groupon offer for pole dancing in Paris that I tried to get a friend to buy for his wife back in November 2011. Maybe this is the best example of French pole dancing that I can find. Courtesy of Pink Paradise, vive la…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"I certainly do not think that French theory is any sort of pole star around which debate revolves. Just the other day I was thrilled to see, for example, a painting that the Swiss painter Giacometti did in the early fifties of a Japanese…"
John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Jacqueline, I trust you will not be too offended if I read your remarks as typical of a certain kind of continental thinking that will read a title, note a date, and spin a elaborate fantasy that assumes that French theory is the pole star around…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Hi John: This is interesting. But when I read it against the work of the anthropologists who do/did work in China whose work I am most familiar with--George William Skinner and Michael Puitt (sp?), I need some more explanation. Oh, and…"
John McCreery replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"It may be useful to remember that while every temporally delimited event will have a beginning and an end, what goes on between the beginning and the end may not be the change in status envisioned in classic discussions of rites of passage (Van…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"I would be very careful about using Geertz. He is very psychological and ahistorical. And, based on what I saw when I did fieldwork in Morocco in the mid-1990s, it appears that Geertz may have collaborated with the CIA when Geertz did…"
Matt Thompson replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Here's a book review I wrote on Between Art and Anthropology which does include some methodological discussion."
Than Vlachos replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions so far. Even a cursory look at some of the names has turned up some articles and books that look really helpful. There is a lot of freewheeling theory about the connections between art and…"
Than Vlachos replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Thanks so much for those suggestions; I will take a look into Boltanski & Boltanski. I agree with your assessment of performance theory a la Judith Butler--I never found it to be particularly helpful, mostly because I am interested in…"
Jacqueline Mraz replied to Than Vlachos's discussion Methodological approaches to art and artists? in the group Art and Anthropology"Sorry, but for my money, performance theory is a bunch of crap. Stay away from it. It really has no explanatory power. You will wind up with really bad American readings of Lacan if you stick to performance theory. I am…"
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- At 10:37am on November 15, 2011,
Nold Egenter said…
Than Vlachos, yes I am home, but sorry, partly I was busy with a project, partly health problems, but now its ok, you are welcome! Have you seen the two papers at my site?
Polarity in Art, Lifestyle and Ontology - Japan, a visual and theoretical model
http://home.worldcom.ch/negenter/418aDundeeTT.html
and: Critical objections to Wittkower's "Architectural Principles in the Age of Humanism"
http://home.worldcom.ch/negenter/00AA2_WittkoHist_0_Int.html
I have studied architecture in Zurich (ETH) but went into research after graduation under the influence of Charles Jencks attack on Modernism with his dilettantic Post-Modernism, joining Amos Rapoport, Paul Oliver and the Berkeley IASTE movements etc.. worldwide! 10 years research in Japan into village Shinto (ritual building). Main purpose: to show that "architecture" is an elitarian term, I started constructing an "anthropology of habitat and architecture". You will find about 70 papers in my website (google negenter, click Implosion). The aesthetics aspect is related to the primordial type of reed deity formed with rooted reed using the human hand which was popular in ancient Mesopotamia 8-4000 B.C. (neolithic villages) and survived into early cities: Ishtar cult in Uruk. Produces a bipolar form: stable triangles below, mobile stalks above. Since these signs were of high complexity in the sedentary agrarian villages (territorial implications, social structure: village founder as some sort of prototype of king, aesthetics as planning principle, cyclic renewal of perishable symbol: continuity during considerable lengths of time. Religion has devalued this phenomenon of village territory as "primitive religion" and thus prevented that they were studied as objective empirical phenomena of early settlements. Japan had stopped Christian influences in the middle of 17 century (after ca. 100 years), and could preserve a rich wealth of traditions in its villages which means that we can still reconstruct their importance as an early and very complex cause of sedentary human culture. Taken as an early culturally complex pattern it questions the values we relate with "high civilisation". In my view civilisation was to a great extent a copy of neolithic cultural conditions spatially blown up into macrocosmic fictions (religion!). If you are interested I can send you my 100 village study in English and the CD of the website. There are also six videos in Youtube (type negenter in Youtube: they will show as 01-06) P.S. One is about apes-nestbuiliding which is also part of the concept. Best regards. Nold Egenter
- At 12:13am on October 24, 2010,
Paul Wren said… - Than,
Welcome to the OAC. You can read more about this place by clicking "About" in the top menu bar. If yo uhave any questions, don't hesitate to ask me or any of the other admins.
Paul
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