"John & all, That conference I went to turned out to be amazing, a small meeting of leading thinkers on how to invent a Post2015 "new architecture" for world governance. The keynote defining the central…"
"John, I briefly looked at the link, and have a reaction a little like Mark's to the "fathers of systems science" regarding H.T. Odum, who is indeed treated as a God in most places. I also have a reaction to the Journal itself,…"
"John, I looked at R for doing this kind of thing. I had developed my organic systems analysis algorithms on a graphical database with a LISP programming environment, but the company started changing the LISP language they supported in ways I…"
"All, For clarification, my concern is with scientists tending to trust their information, and treat the world as if it worked by the theories they deduce from it. Most people see that as "what science is for" and I…"
"Huon, What I see as the central error flashing by in that long self-justification of a social viewpoint is the following:
That's the "simple rule of productivity" that becomes so remarkably self-defeating if taken as a rule,…"
"John, Ah yes, it would be inappropriate to consider human cultures the same way as biological organisms, particularly for applying social judgments that might be inappropriate to biology too. It's clear that cultures really are…"
"P.S. Mark, I think both you and John, and Huon too from another angle, hit the nail on the head. If I may paraphrase, to turn the dilemma you present a bit “inside out”,…it’s that science is in the business of…"
"John, Oh, certainly, I quite agree that the usefulness of the tale depends of seeing how it fits a real life circumstance and problem. The evidence, though, is that's quite hard to see for people. Even if all that would seem needed…"
Regarding the 6 blind men fable, we seem to be demonstrating the problem by favoring different sides of the the available meanings of the tale, seen from different sides. I take it to be about normal life, and how easy it is for…"
"Lee, While I do accept that people are marvelously perceptive about being double crossed, sometimes, aren't they also sometimes not too? So I don't know why you call Goffman's prose "razor sharp" when he his certainty…"
"John, Don’t you recall the intended meaning of the "six blind men" parable, that they didn't discover that their views were connected. Once they do there different views would be mutually supporting…"
"Given the depth and quality of discussion it’s terrible to not have half enough time to really understanding what is being said. The conversation also branches in such complicated ways, too.
I keep trying to stick to important…"
"John, I owe responses to Mark and Huon, but quickly this first. Yes, that's it:
"the observation (it might have been in Sapir's Language) that the main practical difference between human language (and symbolism…"
"Mark, Recorded history has unfortunately been revised and the evidences reinterpreted so many times, "what actually happened" can seem to be lost behind layer upon layer of subjective modern thinking. I…"