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At 1:40pm on November 11, 2009, Eugenia Zakharova said…
tamta, gamarjobat! me var qartvelologi, katia kapustinas megobari da tanamshromeli, exla vimyopebi tbilisshi da katiam tqventan ragaca gamomatana, modit tu tbilisshi xart shevxvdet, katias davalebas shevasruleb da siamovnebit gagicnobt kolegas da sasiamovno adamians:) chemi aqauri nomeri 8 99 44 12 83.
At 5:32pm on July 13, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
hi

you never told me if you received my article

Nikos
At 6:31pm on June 22, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
hello dear Tamta

I will send u tonight some of my articles to read. Thanks about information on ARIMANI.
At 9:42pm on June 20, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
THANKS DEAR CAN U SEND ME THE PROGRAMME ? IT'S PROBABLE FOR ME TO PARTICIPATE
At 11:44am on June 17, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
i forgot the inicial question about Arimani as put by a member of the MYTHOLOGY group :

Anthropological evidence suggests that genus homo was in what is now Georgia before any other place in Europe. Is it reasonable to suggest that at least some Greek myths may be traced to Georgian versions? For example, does Greek Prometheus have his origins in Georgian Amirani? What, if any, are the connections?
At 11:38am on June 17, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
Dear colleague from Tbilisi.

I read your abstract about the Georgian population of Iran who recently migrated back to Georgia. I am Greek anthropologist specialised in popular tradition mostly of Balcans and Asia Minor and my Ph.D. was in a analogous population of Greeks migrated from Bulgaria in 1913 and keeping all their traditions till today ( mostly amazing firewalking rituals). I should be glad to exchange some aspects concerning our studies, my study has been published in 2 different journals and i could send u a copy if u wish.

Since i participate in this OPEN ANTHROPOLOGY forum in the group of MYTHOLOGY i send u the aspects of a member and mine too on that myth of Arimani as compared to Prometheus asking you if you know further sources about Arimani ( does it have etymological linguist analogies with the Iranian godAhriman ?).

HERE Are the comments :

The myth of Arimani is fascinating, because its development through the centuries reveals an evolutionary pattern from the time of Mazdaism and Zoroastrianism, through the Greek and Roman occupations of Georgia, to the period of Christianization, and more recently nationalization. Various versions of the myth reveal a process through which the myth was transformed over time, but the legend itself is traced between 2,000 and 3,000 years BC at the beginning of the first Iron Age, as in the myth Arimani defies God by introducing to the human kind the use of metal, and just like Prometheus, he is punished and chained on Caucasus with his cursed dog. Similar to the Prometheus myth, an eagle eats his liver in the day, but it heals itself every night.

The comparison between the two heroes is striking: they were both chained on Caucasus for introducing technology to the humans, the means to break away from divine domination. They were both semi-Gods, and in a way represented a transition from myth to history -in Levi-Strauss’ terms. They can also represent a kind of Jungian archetypes of the human will rising against the will of God, a type of hero found across the world, from African myths of creation of the first human with clay to Northern American Indians’ myths of spirits stealing fire to offer it to humans. But in this context, Prometheus should pre-exist Arimani since he first introduced fire, followed millenniums later by the introduction of metal.

However, looking at the content of the myth of Arimani, and particularly at the narrations of the slaughter of the devi in the hands of Amirani, which were the bright spirits of Mazdaism subordinated to the will of the one Zoroastrian God, it is evident that the myth predates long before the arrival of Alexander ‘s armies in the 4th century BC. On the other hand, the earliest surviving account of the myth of Prometheus is (I think) Aeschylus trilogy, dating back to the 5th century BC, a hundred years before Alexander’s expedition to Persia. It is also fascinating that Prometheus is chained on Caucasus, and not on a Greek mountain. Is it possible that the two myths were in contact before the arrival of Alexander? Or maybe the myth itself takes us back in time, at a period when Greeks and Georgians were one people?

In answering to these questions I find very interesting the transformation of the one God that punishes Amirani. In some, probably earlier versions, he is Ahura Mazda, the transcendental God of Mazdaism and Zoroastrianism. But in later versions (as in the recent Svan version posted in the Internet), following the Christianization of the Iberia/Kartli, the role of the punishing God is given to Jesus Christ. Amirani provokes Jesus to a wrestling fight, which he loses as Jesus plums into the ground three sticks, whose roots expand and cover the world. In a way, Arimani represents the old Zoroastrian order and Jesus the new triumphant religion that takes over the world. Furthermore, wrestling is one of the national sports of Georgia, and it many ways embodies the Georgian soul of the Fighter that goes before Christian times and beyond the Christian morality of peace and forgiveness. In this context, Amirani represents a kind of national hero that embodies the true intimate identity of being a Georgian (‘intimate’ as in Herzfeld’s notion of ‘cultural intimacy’) that of the fighter.
Anthropological evidence suggests that genus homo was in what is now Georgia before any other place in Europe. Is it reasonable to suggest that at least some Greek myths may be traced to Georgian versions? For example, does Greek Prometheus have his origins in Georgian Amirani? What, if any, are the connections?

Evolutionary transformations of the character of Amirani, from a Zoroastrian to a national hero, reveal that the myth has evolved over centuries. In respect to all the above, I think that arguably there might be a historical connection between the ancient Greeks and Georgians that predates ancient Greece, going back to the arrival of the Aryans 3,000BC in the area of Caucasus, and that the myth of Amirani in itself evolved to the myth of Prometheus with the spreading of the population southwards. But all these are my assumptions. Looking forward to other perspectives
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What u say is correct about possible
contacts of Georgian and Greeks before the classical era and I have to read again the lingustical and mythological approaches of the eminent French linguist Georges Dumezil who published enormously for 40 years on Indoeuropeans with a focus on Caucasian tribes. Also I needed to remind the very important archetypal Greek myth of the golden skin ( chrysomallon deras) that provoked the argonautical expedition to Colchide ( ACTUAL ABHAZIA) and the following myth of Medea who was a local princess as saved by Euripides in his tragedy.
Nikos
At 11:19am on June 17, 2009, NIKOS GOUSGOUNIS said…
dear Tamta

When your conference of Tbilisi will be held ?
At 1:48am on June 15, 2009, Florian Mühlfried said…
Okay, sounds really good! If you want to, you can share the nes concerning the conference with the Caucasus group , of course.
At 8:10pm on June 14, 2009, Florian Mühlfried said…
Welcome Tamta! How's the preparation for your conference going on?
 
 
 

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